ninja! ninja! salvage!
Posted: 2009-12-28 Filed under: eveonline | Tags: dodixie, eve online, ninja, ninja salvaging, profit, salvage, scanning, ships, WH 3 CommentsWell, xxDeath came into our WH again with covops and stealth bombers (this makes the third time), since we again have a nullsec connection to their space. It seems odd that we keep finding nullsec connections, and odder that every other connection is within 5 jumps of xxdeath territory. So, since there was no way in hell I was taking my 190 mil hulk out w/ dudes on the loose, I went to my alts.
Sergeant Scowlyface, the salvager alt, has completed his salvage training.(tech 2 afterburners, MWDs, salvagers, and destroyers). Unfortunately, morleena, my combat alt, had her skill training put on hold once I realized that my current Orca skills on herleena, another alt on the same account, gave me a grand total of 2 seconds off my cycle time. So, I’m training mining director to IV and picking up the warfare linking skillbook once we get an enterence.
Anyway, having a salvager in Dodixie, I asked politely in local if anyone needed their missions salvaged. After the missions runners and mission ninjas alike laughed at me, I started training astrometrics to learn about this ninja salvaging hoo-haa. Three hours later, I undocked with basic combat probes and an expanded launcher only to have a covops frigate explode directly in front of me. Looting the wreck and docking immediately was exhilarating, and netted me a sister expanded probe launcher and five sister combat probes, among other things that I couldn’t use.
During the 15 minute wait time while the victim moaned about losing his ship and the killer moaned about losing the wreck and the pod, I fitted the scanner and probes to my imicus and watched a short video. Undocking, I warped to a safespot and launched probes, hit scan, and waited to see ships I could warp to.
Fifteen seconds later, the scanner gave me…no results at all. Rechecking the video, I was told to set my filter to battleships and command ships. So, I set my overview to just command ships and battleships. After a few more minutes of cursing, I asked in local for help and learned that I was supposed to set my scan filter, not my overview filter, to battleships and command ships. This done, I scanned down a Rattlesnake, got into my Catalyst, and warped to him. 

I found myself at a warp gate, and went through. I found myself in a sea of yellow wrecks, and proceeded to salvage my heart out. By the tenth wreck, I was already irritated at how slow my catalyst was, so I docked, buying a tristan at the station I was docking in, along with three small salvage tackles, 3 overdrive injectors, an 1mn AB II, and two cap rechargers: total fitting cost: 6mil. Total ship cost: 200k.
I warped back to the gate to find the gate gone, so I redocked, got my imicus, and scanned a new dude down. BMed, warped to w/ tristan. The mission was Worlds Collide, and after I salvaged the initial room, I went to the second room and began salvaging. 
Four wrecks later, a catalyst shows up and begins salvaging the wrecks. I immidiatley angle towards the wreck he’s tractoring, lock it, and arc past, salvaging it before he can. I was immidiatley awash with the feeling of out-manuvering someone with an extreme tactical advantage, and proceded to out-salvage him for the next five wrecks before leaving to help close some WHs in our home.
So, ninja salvaging. So easy, less than one mil SP chars can do it, assuming they know how to work the scanner and an afterburner. Not very profitable by WH standards (400 mil paycheck yesterday), but extremley profitable from a dude flying in a navitas’s standpoint.
The moral standard in Eve is somewhere below a toilet in a sewer in the mob-run part of Detroit, so don’t expect anything you don’t nail down to still be there in the morning. At heart, ninja salvaging is a pretty tame moral deviation, since half the time the runners don’t even care about the salvage and the other half, they’re so sick of ninja salvagers that they made a salvage alt. So, if I find a bunch of unattended wrecks, I’ll assume that they’re fair game.
No-one take me up on this, but it seems to me that if a jerk in a destroyer can kill a hulk, he should be able to kill a frigate before getting concorded. If people are really annoyed by salvagers, then using a destroyer to suicide gank them and getting paid, then using the salvage the ninja salvaged to pay for a new destroyer, seems like a niche someone could fill pretty easily.
No-one do that tho. It’s stressful enough when a BS rat starts shooting at my tankless frigate, someone in an anti-frigate ship shooting at me will ruin my whole day.
Fly safe, as I probe you.
P.S. I’ve decided to name my third char on my main account “Indigo Montoya”, but have no idea what to have him do. My main is gallente BS and miner, I have a salvage alt and can’t think of a third role I want to pay right now.
Scanning and you
Posted: 2009-12-27 Filed under: eveonline | Tags: covertops, eve online, scanning, scanning and you, wormhole 3 CommentsI won’t lie; I’m a work-shy freeloader when it comes to scanning. Usually, by the time I sleep through my alarm, eat breakfast, take a shower and get around to logging on, there’s either a grav to hit or a WH to haul ore through for the next paycheck. Unfortunately, I can get dedicated to the tiniest things, and my brain won’t shut off till the task is complete.
This is why it’s currently… four in the morning and I’m still trying to scan a highsec exit. So, scan tips.
An important think to remember in wormholes is that there are two types of wormholes: incoming and outgoing. Or, as I like to call them, “someone’s found us” and “we found another empty neighbor”. Most WHs will have a static type, which means that at any given time if you start scanning that WH you will always find a WH of the given type, for example, a c6. Since the WH we currently reside in has a static C6, this makes scanning a route to highsec all kinds of fun and laughs, when you consider that C6s are the deepest you will go into WH space and are therefore have the lowest chance of a nice highsec to cart 400,000 m3 of ore out of.
Anyway, here’s the process I’ve developed that works for me:
1. Go through the WH/warp to empty space
2. Don’t forget to BM the WH before you do anything else.
3. Open your scanner, go to the directional tab.Turn off active overview settings and press scan. If you don’t see scan probes, PoSes, pos guns, ships, or anything that looks threatening, proceed to step 4. If not, inform your corp mates, and proceed to step four carefully.
4. Launch four probes, then move 15km away from the WH.
5. Cloak.
6. Set one of the probes to 32 AU and move it to the center of the system. If the probe does not encompass the entire system, set all the probes to 32 AU and do the best you can.
7. Press “Scan”, wait 5-10 seconds, then look at the signatures that result. Whine to your corp about how many signatures there are (if over 15) or how unlikely a highsec exit is (if lower than 15).
8. Choose a signature at random.
9. Set your probes to one size bigger than the sig..sphere. If the sig is a red dot, set the probes to 8 AU.
10. Move your probes into a 2D diamond shape, and move as group (shift-click) so that the four circles form some sort of weird shape covering the circle completely. Hit scan again.
11. If the signature disapeared, and there are no other signatures, make your probes one size bigger and scan again. If there are other signatures, go back to step 9 for that sig.
12. If there are now two signatures of the same name, curse quietly to yourself. Move your group of probes slightly up or down so that only one sig is encompassed. Rescan. if the sig vanished, move the group over where the other sig used to be. If that sig vanished as well, curse a bit louder, increase probes by a size and scan again, going back to step 9.
13. If the sig formed a 2d circle: Curse again. Make the probes one size bigger, encompass the circle, and scan again. Go to step 9.
14. If the sig formed a red dot: Silently cheer to yourself. Go to step 17.
15: If the sig turned yellow: look at it in the scanner menu. If it’s the type you want, cheer and go to step 17. If not, angrily right click and select ignore this signeture. Go back to step 6
16. If the sig turned green: Yay! You just found something! Make sure your ship is cloaked and warp to 20km of it. Bookmark some object with an informative name:
“Bitchin Crokite” is not informative. “Excep. core Crokite” is. “I hate scanning” is not informative. “Static C6” is.
17. Reduce your probes by one size and adjust them to keep forming the diamond around the dot. Press scan again and go to step 9.
18. Fake a disconnect so you don’t have to help scan another damn c6 w/ 30 sigs in it.
In flowchart form:
Christmas eve
Posted: 2009-12-25 Filed under: eveonline | Tags: christmas Leave a commentWell, another Christmas come and soon to be gone; with all the anticipation felt over the last month replaced by the complacency of having to wait another year.
Our WHers already got our christmas gift from CCP, with a new exceptional core opened with another 150k crokite with only one sleeper BS, so we’ve been busy. Ironically, we’ve got something like 300 units of compressed ABC and haven’t been able to find an exit remotely close to highsec.
Personally, I blame the new WH and its static C6, but then again, this WH also has 80% bonus to remote reps and capacitor recharge, so I’m not complaining. As much as I usually would.
Since we weren’t able to get enough ore out for my plex due date, I buddy programed a third account so I could get a third Zephyr along with my thirty days. I just hope I can get an alt out of the WH long enough to contract it before the account runs out or January 6th comes around. Both accounts have had three day or more skills trained, mining director IV and Bistot processing IV, respectively
Christmas presents are all wrapped, and given to close friends and family; far friends and family still a problem tho; ironic in this information age of instantaneous conversations.
So, in closing, fly safe all of you, especially my family far away, my friends far away, in Eve and not, who probably don’t want their names mentioned, or maybe do, I’ve sworn off Eve for christmas eve and day for family time.
Fly safe, and to those who know what it means:
Merry christmas to the implant guy;
Merry christmas to the agnostic;
Merry christmas to the tall one;
Merry christmas to the cuban;
Merry christmas to the forgotten lover;
Merry christmas to the exchange student;
Merry christmas to the little germ;
Merry christmas to the elderly farm man;
Merry christmas to the elementary schoolteacher;
Merry christmas to AP theory;
Merry christmas to the Mathematic god;
and Merry christmas to “Please don’t hit me”
Merry Skillmass
Posted: 2009-12-24 Filed under: ships | Tags: capital, carrier, skills 2 CommentsI decided to treat myself and buy the necessary skills to get into a Thanatos (Gallente Carrier). Ignore Acceleration Control; it was a skill that I looked over for the past few months.
Multiple Personalities
Posted: 2009-12-24 Filed under: eveonline | Tags: account, alt, character, combat, eve online, mining, WH 6 CommentsAlternate characters are an interesting topic: controlling two avatars at once can be obscenely difficult with some games (in Halo, trying to drive a warthog with my feet on one controller while firing with my hands on a second….didn’t work out too well). In WoW, most tasks went one of three ways: either you killed the dude trying to kill you, he killed you instantly, or he killed you after a long battle and you came back and managed to kill him by pressing the right buttons at the right times. Controlling one character with any degree of control took skill, and two characters at once when each one required a different button to be pressed depending on the situation every 1.5 seconds was an experience in frustration. Not that I couldn’t get it to work, but it was just annoying.
Eve continues to set itself away from other MMOs with an almost reliance on alts. Living in a WH with only contracts to go on to work out market prices, or even living in nullsec or having a really low security rating nigh demands having alts that can check the market for you, and then there’s the matter of convenience.
When I just started mining, apparently I was so pathetic that no-one even bothered to steal from my can of veldspar. But as I progressed to mining barge, can flippers ceased to be someone to muse upon as a dude whined in local and started becoming a very irritating problem. I was wary to let one can or more float in space before I brought my hauler out, which was a pain, especially when I got killed by a battle badger while trying to re-ninja my ore.
Here’s the strategy I finally figured out: When someone flips you, dock immediately. get your hauler out, warp to the cans. Pick a celestial at random. maneuver your hauler so that the can is directly between you and the celestial. Engage warp without aligning. as your ship lines up with the planet or whatever, open your ninjaed can and make ready. Half a second before your ship reaches 75% speed, drag as much ore as you can into your cargo. The moment your ship hits 75%, it should shoot off like a rocket and you’ll have saved one hauler load of ore. Hide in a station for 15 minutes, come out, start mining in a different system.
After a few weeks of this I was fast running out of throat lozenges for after cursing at flippers and made an alt using the buddy system. My slim justification to myself that since the activation fee was 20 bucks, I’d only have to pay 4 extra bucks once to never have can flipping problems ever again. I started the alt, closed out of all the tutorials immediately and trained gallente industry V.
Suddenly, flippers were a thing of the past. Any ore I had mined went immidiately to the station with no loss in productivity, and Eve was fun again. The hauler account stayed with me, hauling for corp ops and regular ops, following me into nullsec and hauling there; then coming to WH space with me.
Having two accounts in eve is different from two accounts anywhere else because of the sheer utility of having two separate persona for you. One can scout for the other, rep for the other, mine for the other, shoot for the other, and with Eves auto-repeat managing both of them is fairly intuitive.
Awkwardly, I’ve accidentally left two alts in WHs we left and had to pod them both >.<
I think this topic has been covered by someone else already, but the psychological experience of an MMO is essentially obtaining what others don’t have. Whether it’s gold, ISK, a battleaxe bigger than yourself, a navy domi, faction fit mauraders or every single damn item in the game, everyone wants more than everyone else in order to say “look at me, I’m awesome”.
Since training an alt requires you to stop training on your main, this goes against the average MMOer instints of being better than everyone else, making the thought of stopping training on your main nigh unbearable. So, making an alt account is a pretty easy step for most committed players, which is why I now have an orca pilot, another WH goer has two hulk accounts and a third has two with a third still training.
Assuming you can either provide the 30 bucks a month or 600 mil a month, a second account will make your Eve experience significantly easier.
Oh, and the nullsec dude apparently multiboxes four hulks in his infinite ABC nullsec system.
Fly safe.
Fly safe.
Also, arguing with yourself in front of new guys in the corp channel is hilarious.


